Boats and Boating

Boats and Boating

  • 03 Aug 2010 10:29 AM
    Message # 395496
    Anonymous
    We have been on the lake for over ten years and this year we are noticing the speed boats on Kahshe more then ever. Our cottage is in the bay beside Rockhaven and since it is an open space the boats just gun it. There are loons in the middle of the lake and people who are skiing/wake boarding who may have just fallen and they are not always easy to see either. These boats are meant for large bodies of open water, where there aren't a lot of channels, islands, people and boat traffic to contend with. Cottagers should be able to use the water, even for swimming without being scared of being hit by boats, or be able to boat, even at night and know that others are putting their lights on, but this isn't so. Maybe all cottagers should be getting a flier on boating rules, simplified, for them and their guests to use. Everyone knows that the regular boaters test/ exam can be filled out by anyone; it seems to be pretty useless many people feel.

    There are many boaters (especially seen on long weekends) who don't know the right-of ways or any sort of rules. Last weekend we were in a paddle boat watching a middle aged man on a jet ski. He did not have a life jacket on. He had a child riding in front with him. He was trying to  ride boat waves and he came so close to an aluminum boat that he actually splashed the occupants. Who wants a smash up with a jet ski? This is dangerous riding, and it wasn't a kid. Over the years we have seen a lot of close calls and been lucky ourselves more than once.

    There are many people who also take people for tube rides off of jet skies not knowing that this is not allowed because if someone is injured there is not where to put the injured person, unlike a boat to bring them to shore.

    Anyways it would be nice to see the association get more involved with boating, although I know they have tried. The weekend in July that the pontoon boating accident happened, I was not surprised. It's very busy on the water especially with the beautiful weather we have been having. I am rather surprises that there aren't more of these accidents on Kahshe.

  • 03 Aug 2010 1:51 PM
    Reply # 395648 on 395496
    Anonymous

    It is a beautiful Tuesday after the August long weekend.  Compared to the weekend, the lake is almost empty of boats.

    So I was surprised while boating back to the cottage with a full load of groceries, including melting ice cream, to be stopped by the OPP for a safety check.  I was an easy target because there almost nobody else was in sight.

    I had no problem because all our safety gear is in order and I had my PCOC on board.  But the officers knew I wasn't pleased. 

    I really wanted to get into a discussion of where they were on the long weekend, why they didn't charge the offending boater in the accident previously mentioned, what they knew about the speed limits on our lake, etc.  But I didn't get into it because of the aforementioned deteriorating ice cream and the 20 month old grandson who was past due for lunch and hygiene attention.

    I will, however, be writing to the OPP to ask some of these questions.  I'll keep you posted on the outcome.

    The KLRA is involved in this topic, but I can't point to a lot of progess.  We'll keep trying, though.

     

  • 08 Aug 2010 9:59 AM
    Reply # 398811 on 395648
    Anonymous
    Greig Holder wrote:

    It is a beautiful Tuesday after the August long weekend.  Compared to the weekend, the lake is almost empty of boats.

    So I was surprised while boating back to the cottage with a full load of groceries, including melting ice cream, to be stopped by the OPP for a safety check.  I was an easy target because there almost nobody else was in sight.

    I had no problem because all our safety gear is in order and I had my PCOC on board.  But the officers knew I wasn't pleased. 

    I really wanted to get into a discussion of where they were on the long weekend, why they didn't charge the offending boater in the accident previously mentioned, what they knew about the speed limits on our lake, etc.  But I didn't get into it because of the aforementioned deteriorating ice cream and the 20 month old grandson who was past due for lunch and hygiene attention.

    I will, however, be writing to the OPP to ask some of these questions.  I'll keep you posted on the outcome.

    The KLRA is involved in this topic, but I can't point to a lot of progess.  We'll keep trying, though.

     

    Rather than write to the OPP, I dropped into the community policing office in Gravenhurst.  I had a good conversation with Vern Taylor, a Kahshe Lake resident, who is well aware of boating problems.  Vern helped connect me with Darcy Jibb at the OPP Bracebridge Detachment.

    Darcy told me that marine patrol officers kept their own data on lake visits; there is not a central database.  Darcy talked to other officers to collect anecdotal information on patrols of Kahshe Lake this season.  What he learned was this:

    • There have been at least five visits this season.
    • They recorded 12 offences and numerous warnings.
    • They do not issue warnings for PFDs or liquor; these always result in charges.
    • About 30% of the charges involved liquor.

    There are about five-to-six marine patrol officers for the entire District of Muskoka.  There are about five hundred lakes in the District, but not all are patrolled.  Kahshe is on their priority list, but some quick math results in us knowing they can't be here very often.

    I asked Darcy if he knew anything about the collision with the pontoon boats in July.  He was unaware, but the responding officers would not have been part of the marine unit since the incident was late at night.  He did not understand why a charge was not laid in that incident; as he said, if there is a collision, someone is at fault.  My experience is that not all officers are knowledgeable about the Canada Shipping Act, which governs activity on water.

    Greig

  • 12 Aug 2010 3:03 PM
    Reply # 401735 on 395648
    Anonymous
    Greig Holder wrote:

    It is a beautiful Tuesday after the August long weekend.  Compared to the weekend, the lake is almost empty of boats.

    So I was surprised while boating back to the cottage with a full load of groceries, including melting ice cream, to be stopped by the OPP for a safety check.  I was an easy target because there almost nobody else was in sight.

    I had no problem because all our safety gear is in order and I had my PCOC on board.  But the officers knew I wasn't pleased. 

    I really wanted to get into a discussion of where they were on the long weekend, why they didn't charge the offending boater in the accident previously mentioned, what they knew about the speed limits on our lake, etc.  But I didn't get into it because of the aforementioned deteriorating ice cream and the 20 month old grandson who was past due for lunch and hygiene attention.

    I will, however, be writing to the OPP to ask some of these questions.  I'll keep you posted on the outcome.

    The KLRA is involved in this topic, but I can't point to a lot of progess.  We'll keep trying, though.

     


    On two occasions since late July, my daughter and company have been involved with 2 different boats speeding and cutting too close when they are fishing around Hens & Chicks.  The first time, she received a very serious welt from the fishing line breaking her rod and winding around her side.  The second time, the offending vessel was driven by a 40ish year old man towing a tube with 3 kids on, and cutting through their lines.  It is a wonder to us all that those kids weren't decapitated by the fishing line.  When the OPP were called from the site, their response was that without actual injury they would not respond, but would call back the next morning.  Of course, they did not call back.  We can only hope that the seals in both offending boats are ruined by the fishing line, thereby taking these offenders out of commission for a while!!
    What has happened to our peaceful lake??
  • 15 Aug 2010 12:46 PM
    Reply # 403160 on 395496
    Anonymous

    This is Kate Tuero, Marilyn and Tim's daughter, I just read my mother's comment and have two things to say...I have more then a welt I had a rope burn style cut that has now left me with a scar from the waist of my shorts at the front to around 1/3rd of my back where my rod snapped and allowed the line to wrap around my body. I have an image of it I was going to post but don't see a way to post an image on this board. also it seems to me that ever since this boaters card came out every idiot thinks "I guessed a few right answers after taking the test 40 times now lets go get a boat" and know nothing. It used to be that unless you knew how things worked on the water you didn't even think about driving a boat but now that they pass a test on the 100th free try they figure they know it all and can do what ever they want. 10 years ago when they came out with this card we sat in a 2 day course with an instructor and were taught what we needed to know like which side to pass on, how much room to leave between yourself and other boats and how far to stay from fisher-people as well as things you don't so much need on Kahshe but need for the bigger lakes like channel markers, how to read charts, etc. They need to charge for each time you write the test and have proper training, as well as a "road test" to prove you can drive. If the drinking and boating laws are the same as a car why shouldn't the licencing be?????

    Last modified: 15 Aug 2010 12:46 PM | Anonymous
  • 06 Dec 2011 12:56 PM
    Reply # 767192 on 395496
    Anonymous
    We kayak quite often on Kahshe.  It seems that every time we are out enjoying a peaceful paddle, there is always at least one boater who thinks it is okey to cut in front of the kayaks.  Sometimes they are so close the wake comes over the front of the kayak.  We have approached some of these boaters to politely let them know they are to go behind kayaks, row boats, canoes, etc.  Some of these boaters look at you like you are crazy.  Something needs to be done before somebody is seriously injured.

    There is no better way to spend a sunny day than kayaking on Kahshe.  Please boaters, think of everyone on the lake, not just yourselves and your fun!!!
  • 28 Aug 2012 2:23 PM
    Reply # 1058779 on 395496
    Anonymous
    I have seen the OPP on Kahshe 3 times this year and have been stopped twice.  OPP were courteous both times and only served to delay my trip across the lake.

    I have seen many dangerous situations this season that are so obviously stupid and blatant you question how these people found there way to the lake in the first place.

    An adult riding a PWC with a small child on board and three more in a tube he was towing.  The law is clear, you require a spotter as well as a place on the vessel for the people / children on the towable.   Clearly this person did not consider the risk of the tube deflating and the children trying to swim to shore.

    Vessel overloading, passing docks at wake speed (even pontoon boats make significant wake for a swimmer), running narrow areas with towables, failure to give way.

    The biggest problem I have found with boats on Kahshe is not the true "speed" boats, they actually are the least of my concern.  They run by my dock on plane and do very little to disturb us.   The fastest boats on the lake seem to be operated by experienced boaters who are not ignorant.

    The most annoying boaters are the slow movers that believe that full wake speed is the polite thing to do.  (Full Wake speed is when the bow is up and you are touring around making wake).  Keep your bow down, either by going slow enough to tour around or fast enough to be on plane.

    I cannot tell you how many people pass our dock and slow down creating more wake and come in closer for some reason unannounced to me.

    Wake boarding on Kahshe has very few places where it can occur without disturbing the residents.   Stay away from shore when creating wake!!

    Wake occurs when the boat is accelerating on to plane, when it slows off plane and when the bow is up at any speed.  Even untrimmed planning boats create significant wake.  Slow is not necessarily the best for our shores or docks.

    We do not need more enforcement on the lake, we need education to avoid ignorance. There are lakes with horsepower limits or motorized restricted lakes.  For those that wish that type of lake, they are already available.  Kashse just need more awareness as there seem to be many good helpful people that would likely feel badly if they realized what they are doing. 




  • 09 Sep 2012 7:54 PM
    Reply # 1068065 on 395496
    Anonymous
    Thank you for all the comments regarding careless/reckless boating on the lake.  I kayak almost daily and every day there is at least one boater who insists on cutting in front.  Several times, their wake has actually come into the kayak.  

    As others have stated, they have tried to speak to the offending boater and are looked upon as aliens.  Somebody is going to be hurt.  

    This year has been great for viewing the shoreline around the lake.  The wake from some of the boaters is destroying our shoreline.  Please BOATERS, respect other people on the lake and our shorelines.  

    Let's all enjoy the lake by respecting each other & mother nature.  
 

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